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I checked underneath it, and also the ceiling below it is unfinished, and there is no evidence of any external leak. Last night I ran it empty. In the wash cycle it seemed to be spraying lots of water, and was actually audible. Normally this dishwasher is so quiet you don't know it is running. The dishes inside must deaden the sound.

However, that said, the flow when it pumps out into the garburator seems pathetic. You can barely hear it.

I believe it has always been somewhat low, much less than the Kitchenaid that preceded it. The Kitchenaid sounded like someone flushing the toilet! When I ran it last night I put a couple of cups of vinegar into the first wash cycle, and ran it in the 'Half Load' mode. It went through the complete cycle and was as dry as it ever gets at the end. No water visible even when you looked right down into the plastic filter recess. Appeared normal.

However, you could still easily smell vinegar. That was after all the cycles totaling 84 minutes or so. It makes me wonder if this thing is pumping out fully between cycles of one overall wash. I would have expected the vinegar to have been long gone. In any case does anyone know how this thing pumps out?

Does it use the same pump as in the wash cycle like most dishwashers, and just has a diversion valve when it wants to pump out? Wondering if the diversion valve could be stuck or have something in it? Some food does seem to get by the filter when you remove everything. Wondering how that can happen?

The drain hose goes about as high as the top of the dishwasher. The filter may be a problem, however, I tested the thing again today, and it did not drain again and is full of water. Can't seem to get it to drain now by using the cancel cycle function. Will have to hand bail it out.

I got really desperate and read the manual. Tough thing for a man to do! I discovered that there is potentially one more filter than I realized. The drawing in the manual shows a large object trap (large plastic grid), cylinder filter (metal grid), a fine filter (large metal plate with medium sized holes, that covers the recess at the bottom of the tub).

I was cleaning all of these. However, the manual also shows what they call micro filter. It appears to be metal and cylinder shaped. I have not seen that filter, and haven't cleaned it. Will have to look for it, when I get it bailed out. Last the manual says there is a separate pump to drain the tub. If the filter issue is a dead end, I will have to check that out further.

Thanks for the suggestions. Bailed the thing out and the so called micro filter does not seem to be there, and in fact there seems to be no provision for it. Will have to call Bosch tomorrow to see what is going on. The manual is not totally clear.

For anyone that has a Bosch, is the micro filter part of the large object trap assembly? Will have to check the hose further tomorrow to see if there is any possibility it could be plugged. When it is in drain mode, there is nothing but a small trickle of water being pumped out.

Either the flow is being blocked somewhere or the pump is not working. The good news is that I see it is less than a year old and should be still under warranty. Sometimes things like pips can work their way through the filter (heaven knows how, that thing is pretty fine mesh) and end up in the bottom. It's happened to me twice, most recently a month ago. Bale out the water in the bottom. Remove the last of it, in the drain, by soaking it up with a sponge. Check in the grooved area - I found a piece of glass here.

If there's nothing there, you can proceed with caution to unscrew the drain cover - Bosch say call an engineer, but thanks to YouTube (can't find it right now, but it was easy to Google) I saw what to do, removed the piece and found a cherry stone stuck the other side. Saved a $200 call-out. Check the YouTube videos - search for something like 'Bosch dishwasher drain clearing'.

'Perhaps this will be somewhat helpful.; ------- Called Bosch this AM, unfortunately before I read your post. That video is very helpful.

It seems consistent with my manual and shows an outer filter which the lady in the video calls a 'very fine mesh filter on the outside'. I don't have that filter in my dishwasher.

Bosch told me that there should only be the two filters, but now I'm thinking they are not correct. I think I will now call the parts dept of the dealer I bought this thing from to see what they say.

I wonder if they put this outer filter in some models and not others??? Mine certainly never had it. I also see from the comments at that site that it appears prone to failure, and cannot be bought separate from the rest of the filter.

Ugly trick from Bosch! And to add more confusion, the dishwasher now seems to be draining again. All I did was jiggle the drain hose around a bit.

I'm on the second test of of it now. It drained when I did the half wash cycle, and now I'm trying the full normal wash. It also drains now when you cancel the cycle.

If by airgap you mean a siphon breaker vent, no I don't have one. I believe it is a code requirement in some areas. This is the 4th dishwasher to sit in this same location over the 32 years we have had the house, and I have never used one.

I really don't like the idea of it flooding the counter. It now appears my problem is back again on the second test. Will have to try it a couple of more times, but it seems it will complete and pump out when in the half load mode. But when in the Normal cycle it does not pump out at the end. I saw it pump out once part way through the cycle though. I'm starting to think the control system in this thing has lost its brains.

I spoke too soon on my last post. I had opened the door when it was in the 'dry' mode at the end of the cycle - no pump running and no wash or rinse. It showed 14 minutes remaining, and there was lots of water still in the tub. I assumed it would pump out before the 'dry' portion of the cycle, and the water would still be there at the end of the cycle. I stood there and watched it, only to find that it goes though that goofy pump out act it does but at the end of the 'dry' part of the cycle, drain pump runs for about 3 seconds, stops for 2 seconds, runs for 3 seconds, stops for 2, and then runs for about 20 seconds to actually do the job. Low and behold, the bottom of the tub was dry when the run light finally went off. When you watch what this thing does, it is one weird dishwasher.

It is so quiet that I never really knew what it was doing before. Now I think it may be working 'normally' whatever that really is. About the high loop, yes I pulled on the hose. It comes out a few inches and then goes back. It seems fairly free, and is heavy (full of water).

At times I can see a water level in the top of the hose that came with the dishwasher. I would like to pull the thing out of the recess to really check it, but this was one nasty dishwasher to install. It has no room at the bottom to work, and I'm trying to avoid that step. I checked with the local dealer and they have a replacement filter.

I'm going to stop at the shop and see what it looks like. I'm convinced again that I'm missing the outer micro filter part, but not sure that has anything to do with the recent problems.

Alex, thank you for the additional videos. I had already taken the cover off the pump. I assume that is the drain pump and not the circulating pump? The pump was basically clean and turned freely. Headwind Sms Communicator Serial Season. Did find a bit of an orange stem in it, but I don't think it could have been a problem. I saw the black rubber thing and didn't have the nerve to pull it out.

I see from the video it is a flapper type of check valve. I will take it apart again and pull the flapper, just in case. If anyone does this, mine at least takes a T20 tork screw driver. And when you put this cover back in, the close end goes in first and hooks in a slot.

It will not go in if you try to push it straight down. On the video which shows the transparent loop is this at the back or the side? If I get really desperate I will have to check it out. I'm not looking forward to pulling this thing out of the hole though. And last for today's update I visited the appliance store and looked at all the various Bosch models of dishwasher.

None of them have the third outer filter described as a micro filter. I also looked at a spare they had in the parts dept and it was exactly the same as mine. I think that UK video posted by kitchendetective earlier in the thread is for an older model of Bosch. And Bosch has not updated their owners manuals and still describe that outer filter as if it was there.

My guess is that they made the hole size in the stainless cylinder filter finer, and eliminated that outer micro filter. First real load of dirty dishes is washing now, so I will find out if the problem has come back again or not -- at least for today. Update for the day. The first real load of dishes, in the last post failed the test. No pump out again.

I removed the pump cover and checked the check valve. It was fine, and no evidence of food or crap in the line. While forcing it to pump out, I had a real 'ah-ha' moment. The flow during the forced pump out was a pathetic dribble. The dishwasher location requires that I use a 7 foot extension hose. I moved that extension hose at about the mid point, and there was a gush of water. I didn't find much in the garburator, so I was concerned that whatever it was could still be in the hose, and just moved.

Download Peta Surabaya 2013. Removed the hose and flushed it. Still did not find much, and could not think of any other way to make sure it was clean.

I finally decided I had had enough, and bought a new hose. The one I had been using for decades was a 5/8' auto heater hose. Way overkill for the application.

I also was using a 1/2' connector at one end, and a 3/4' at the other. I bought a new 3/4' vinyl hose, and used 3/4' connectors at both ends. The fourth dirty real load is washing now. The flow on pump out is excellent, and no water left in the tub at the end of the cycle.

The dishes are coming out perfectly clean. Even when you look down into the course filter tube there is no water visible. I think the problem is solved, touch wood. It would appear the dishwasher itself was not a problem, just something in the hose. Thanks for all the help. I learned quite a bit about how this dishwasher works.

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